KATRINA'S ANALYSIS OF BB'S PONY FLOWER RULES
Posted 5 August 2012
The rules on this card were distributed at the August 3 2012 meeting about Flower. I (KaTrina Velde) went through it to figure out the differences between these examples (they really are a combination of examples and rules) and the 6 rules that I have on the Web page. I offer this as a basis for discussion, and would love to see someone (Safra sounded like she was volunteering) create concise rules.
Bb's rules are in bold type.
***Three Asterisks and gren type mark KaTrina's comments after the meeting***
How to use:
The dressage (*pony flower*) consists of 9 circles: 8 of them lettered (A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H) and one middle circle (the starting and finishing point).
***Actually 10 circles; don't forget the small one in the very center.***
Ponies start on command of the trainer with a variety of figures:
* They can go around a circle only, in a clockwise direction (e.g. command: A)
***This is fine.***
* Around the periphery of two or more circles starting in a clockwise direction and using the lines to go from circle to circle (e.g. command A-C-E to go around the outside of the circles) ..... (A-E or command A-E-C to go through the center from A to E ).
***And then go where from there?***
* Perform one or more figure eights again starting in a clockwise direction crossing over where the circles join (e.g. command AxC or command AxCxE)
***This is fine.***
*The smaller circles B,D,F,G are always walked in a clockwise direction when linked with a line (eg A-F or A-C-D) The center circle also has the same rules as the outer circles when entered off a -
***Several problems here. (1) It was months before I realized that "linked with a line" referred to the HYPHEN between the letters, and not the line on the field. (2) This does not makes sense to me if the large circle was walked COUNTERclockwise; for example, the pattern CxA-F. Certainly seems to me that F should be counterclockwise. This specific item was one I discussed with Bb a year ago, and I remember that, at that time, she agreed with me. (3) I don't know how this rule has me do the C-D part; I would walk around C, then around the center circle clockwise, then back down the line and around D clockwise.***
*If the command for any circle means that less than half is walked around then the pony must do a full walk around before going on to the next letter or finish
***Yes; I call this the Halfway Rule, and it's fine.***
*The center circle can also be used to link the pattern (eg AxD would have the pony walk clockwise around A then anti clockwise around the center and along the line and clockwise around D ) ...
***Again, I don't understand what the rule is. Why is the center counterclockwise? Why is the "D" walked clockwise when it's preceded with an "x"? I may really misunderstand what that rule is supposed to do. But once again, I thought I went thru this with Bb a year ago. ***
( A-D however would have the pony walk clockwise around A then clockwise around the center then clockwise around D )...
***And at this point, I am completely lost. Does the hyphen affect the direction of walk around the center circle, but then have no effect on the direction around D? I have no idea how to explain where this comes from. This is our biggest difference. (IMPORTANT: Although it is not a rule change that I intended to make, it makes no sense to me. Why not have the center always clockwise, which is consistent and easily trainable?***
( A-F would see the pony walk clockwise around A then straight through the middle and clockwise around F )...
***This one IS the rule change that I suggested, discussed with several others, tested, and then asked SLDS Mistresses (at the time) to adopt. It is, of course, the "Never walk thru the center--go around it clockwise" rule.***
( A-B would see the pony walk clockwise around A then to the center and clockwise around it then clockwise around B )...
***This is exactly how I would do it.***
( AxB-B would see the pony walk clockwise around A anti clockwise around B then to the center and clockwise around it then back to and clockwise around B )...
***Yes, I would also do this the same.***
(AxE would see the pony walk clockwise around A .. anti clockwise around the center then clockwise around E )...
***Yes, I would do this the same, too.***
(A-F-H would have the pony walk clockwise around A ,straight through the center and clockwise around F, back to the center and clockwise around remembering the halfway rule, then clockwise around H ) ...
***I would do this the same, EXCEPT we apply Halfway Rule only to the LETTERED CIRCLES. Since a main idea about our center-clockwise rule is to avoid collisions of multiple ponies, not applying it to the Center makes sense to me. I'm not married to it, though; could easily let Halfway Rule apply to the Center as well.***
all 3 rules can be used together to make it harder for the pony eg ... ( AxE-B-D )... the pony would walk clockwise around A ... anticlockwise around E ... straight through the middle to B then clockwise around the middle to D ... remembering the halfway rule works on the center too.
***Main point here is that ANY set of rules should enable the pattern strings to be extended indefinitely; that's the wonderful thing that makes Flower impossible to outgrow.***
Some patterns will look the same due to the way the center is entered ..... eg ( AxGxD ) ... ( AxG-D )
***This one sentence points out a weakness of this set of rules. AxGxD and AxG-D should NOT create the same walking pattern. That makes no sense to me.***
( AxGxD )... would see the pony walk clockwise around A anti clockwise around G and as the center is where the turn is made and using an x it is done clockwise around to D then clockwise around D as it is entered off the line from the center.
( AXG-D ) ..... would see the pony walk clockwise around A anti clockwise around G and as the center is entered off the - it is clockwise around to D then again D is entered off the line from the center so is clockwise.
***Those are examples that relate back to the paragraph before.***
2 TO 4 PONIES
More than one pony can train at the same time having different letters and different ways to cross from circle to circle ... (eg AxC-FxG and E-GxA-D) ... under the command of their trainer.
when doing more than one pony the center rules do not apply as to avoid crashing, ponies should always go clockwise around the center ... but remembering the halfway rule
***The necessity for a different rule in the Center was the whole reason for making the "Center Clockwise" rule to begin with. It makes much more sense to me to train with rules that apply across both single/multiple pony situations.***
Addition ..... (KaTrina Velde) ... when 2 or more ponies are doing a pattern, is for the ponies to bow to each other. A nice gesture when all finish. To show respect to each other and that they did the Flower pattern as a team.
**Thank you, Bb, for your kind comment on this one. It does really look beautiful when ponies bow.***
It will get both trainer and pony thinking together.
Have fun!!
For advanced instructions see:
??
For a really good video on Flower Dressage in SL, see Miss KaTrina's video here:
http://katrinavelde.yolasite.com/flower-dressage-video.php
BUT disregard the notice about the center rule change for single ponies
Thanks to MB stables and Biatch Adamczyk for capturing this information.
Posted 5 August 2012
The rules on this card were distributed at the August 3 2012 meeting about Flower. I (KaTrina Velde) went through it to figure out the differences between these examples (they really are a combination of examples and rules) and the 6 rules that I have on the Web page. I offer this as a basis for discussion, and would love to see someone (Safra sounded like she was volunteering) create concise rules.
Bb's rules are in bold type.
***Three Asterisks and gren type mark KaTrina's comments after the meeting***
How to use:
The dressage (*pony flower*) consists of 9 circles: 8 of them lettered (A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H) and one middle circle (the starting and finishing point).
***Actually 10 circles; don't forget the small one in the very center.***
Ponies start on command of the trainer with a variety of figures:
* They can go around a circle only, in a clockwise direction (e.g. command: A)
***This is fine.***
* Around the periphery of two or more circles starting in a clockwise direction and using the lines to go from circle to circle (e.g. command A-C-E to go around the outside of the circles) ..... (A-E or command A-E-C to go through the center from A to E ).
***And then go where from there?***
* Perform one or more figure eights again starting in a clockwise direction crossing over where the circles join (e.g. command AxC or command AxCxE)
***This is fine.***
*The smaller circles B,D,F,G are always walked in a clockwise direction when linked with a line (eg A-F or A-C-D) The center circle also has the same rules as the outer circles when entered off a -
***Several problems here. (1) It was months before I realized that "linked with a line" referred to the HYPHEN between the letters, and not the line on the field. (2) This does not makes sense to me if the large circle was walked COUNTERclockwise; for example, the pattern CxA-F. Certainly seems to me that F should be counterclockwise. This specific item was one I discussed with Bb a year ago, and I remember that, at that time, she agreed with me. (3) I don't know how this rule has me do the C-D part; I would walk around C, then around the center circle clockwise, then back down the line and around D clockwise.***
*If the command for any circle means that less than half is walked around then the pony must do a full walk around before going on to the next letter or finish
***Yes; I call this the Halfway Rule, and it's fine.***
*The center circle can also be used to link the pattern (eg AxD would have the pony walk clockwise around A then anti clockwise around the center and along the line and clockwise around D ) ...
***Again, I don't understand what the rule is. Why is the center counterclockwise? Why is the "D" walked clockwise when it's preceded with an "x"? I may really misunderstand what that rule is supposed to do. But once again, I thought I went thru this with Bb a year ago. ***
( A-D however would have the pony walk clockwise around A then clockwise around the center then clockwise around D )...
***And at this point, I am completely lost. Does the hyphen affect the direction of walk around the center circle, but then have no effect on the direction around D? I have no idea how to explain where this comes from. This is our biggest difference. (IMPORTANT: Although it is not a rule change that I intended to make, it makes no sense to me. Why not have the center always clockwise, which is consistent and easily trainable?***
( A-F would see the pony walk clockwise around A then straight through the middle and clockwise around F )...
***This one IS the rule change that I suggested, discussed with several others, tested, and then asked SLDS Mistresses (at the time) to adopt. It is, of course, the "Never walk thru the center--go around it clockwise" rule.***
( A-B would see the pony walk clockwise around A then to the center and clockwise around it then clockwise around B )...
***This is exactly how I would do it.***
( AxB-B would see the pony walk clockwise around A anti clockwise around B then to the center and clockwise around it then back to and clockwise around B )...
***Yes, I would also do this the same.***
(AxE would see the pony walk clockwise around A .. anti clockwise around the center then clockwise around E )...
***Yes, I would do this the same, too.***
(A-F-H would have the pony walk clockwise around A ,straight through the center and clockwise around F, back to the center and clockwise around remembering the halfway rule, then clockwise around H ) ...
***I would do this the same, EXCEPT we apply Halfway Rule only to the LETTERED CIRCLES. Since a main idea about our center-clockwise rule is to avoid collisions of multiple ponies, not applying it to the Center makes sense to me. I'm not married to it, though; could easily let Halfway Rule apply to the Center as well.***
all 3 rules can be used together to make it harder for the pony eg ... ( AxE-B-D )... the pony would walk clockwise around A ... anticlockwise around E ... straight through the middle to B then clockwise around the middle to D ... remembering the halfway rule works on the center too.
***Main point here is that ANY set of rules should enable the pattern strings to be extended indefinitely; that's the wonderful thing that makes Flower impossible to outgrow.***
Some patterns will look the same due to the way the center is entered ..... eg ( AxGxD ) ... ( AxG-D )
***This one sentence points out a weakness of this set of rules. AxGxD and AxG-D should NOT create the same walking pattern. That makes no sense to me.***
( AxGxD )... would see the pony walk clockwise around A anti clockwise around G and as the center is where the turn is made and using an x it is done clockwise around to D then clockwise around D as it is entered off the line from the center.
( AXG-D ) ..... would see the pony walk clockwise around A anti clockwise around G and as the center is entered off the - it is clockwise around to D then again D is entered off the line from the center so is clockwise.
***Those are examples that relate back to the paragraph before.***
2 TO 4 PONIES
More than one pony can train at the same time having different letters and different ways to cross from circle to circle ... (eg AxC-FxG and E-GxA-D) ... under the command of their trainer.
when doing more than one pony the center rules do not apply as to avoid crashing, ponies should always go clockwise around the center ... but remembering the halfway rule
***The necessity for a different rule in the Center was the whole reason for making the "Center Clockwise" rule to begin with. It makes much more sense to me to train with rules that apply across both single/multiple pony situations.***
Addition ..... (KaTrina Velde) ... when 2 or more ponies are doing a pattern, is for the ponies to bow to each other. A nice gesture when all finish. To show respect to each other and that they did the Flower pattern as a team.
**Thank you, Bb, for your kind comment on this one. It does really look beautiful when ponies bow.***
It will get both trainer and pony thinking together.
Have fun!!
For advanced instructions see:
??
For a really good video on Flower Dressage in SL, see Miss KaTrina's video here:
http://katrinavelde.yolasite.com/flower-dressage-video.php
BUT disregard the notice about the center rule change for single ponies
Thanks to MB stables and Biatch Adamczyk for capturing this information.